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The Connor memory change and Fred/Wes

crazyworldgirl:

I mean erasing Connor from their lives does so much.
Wes never kidnaps him. He never goes off on his own and starts banging Lilah. He doesn’t live with that guilt.

Do you remember how Fred reacted when she found out about Lilah. I don’t see how Wes and Lilah would have…

I think Wes sure feared Fred only loved him because of the memory wipe though. I think that compounded his final depression and I could never think of a fanfic to make it okay. Its been a source of pain to me for 10 years

I agree that Wesley had that fear. That doesn’t mean he was right. Wesley has such a low opinion of himself. He never believed he was worthy of Fred at all. When he learned about the mindwipe, it gave him a reason to doubt she ever could really love him.

I believe she always did (and I think Illyria’s attachment to him is in small part due to Fred’s feelings). Why was Fred so jealous of, and angry at Lilah if she didn’t have feelings for Wesley? I could list moment after moment that showed Fred loved Wesley before she admitted to it in season 5. The mindwipe might have affected when they got together, but I don’t think it changed their feelings. Sadly, Wesley never thought highly enough of himself to think of it that way.

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theresstillheroesinthisworld:

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The Connor memory change and Fred/Wes

crazyworldgirl:

I mean erasing Connor from their lives does so much. 
Wes never kidnaps him. He never goes off on his own and starts banging Lilah. He doesn’t live with that guilt. 

Do you remember how Fred reacted when she found out about Lilah. I don’t see how Wes and Lilah would have happened without the Connor kidnapping thing. And I just….

Would Fred and Wes even have gotten together if Angel didn’t erase Connor from their minds. 

My ship can’t be dependent on fake memories. It can’t.  I need it to be real. 

In ‘Harm’s Way’ Fred tells Harmony that there is a lot of baggage between her and Wesley, and that’s why they’re not together. If Wesley had never dated Lilah, or had never been separate from the group, what would that have been?
In ‘Lineage’ Wesley mentions how he had been with Lilah and that he had to cut her head off with an axe. So they do have memories that he’d dated Lilah.
My opinion on this is that their memories are pretty much the same except that there is a hole where Connor should be. This doesn’t affect season 4 very much. You can explain most events without him. The difficult part to explain is why Wesley was alienated from the group. I have two theories. Either A.) If they try to think about that time and why he was estranged, the spell makes them forget what they are thinking about, and move on. Or B.) Cyvus came up with a different reason for why he was separated. The only one I can really come up with is that Holtz gave Wesley the option of telling him where Darla was hiding, or he would kill the whole gang, so he gave up Darla. Angel was so angry that Wes had to leave. Granted, I don’t think Wesley would ever do that, but I think Cyvus could implant those memories.
All that is to say, I don’t think Wes and Fred got together just because of the mind wipe. Sorry for the ramble, I have thought about this a lot.

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